Saturday, September 27, 2008

Women In The Pulpit - Gospel Today

I am a subscriber of Gospel Today magazine and I think it is a fabulous magazine. Great information and awesome articles. This magazine evidently has a knack for pushing people's buttons! (Maybe that's why I like it...hummmm!) This is the second time that I know of where my magazine has been in the news causing ripples and controversy!
The first time was when they featured Thomas Weeks (sorry but I just can't bring myself to call that clown...I mean him Bishop!!! NEVER!) on the cover. I must admit I HATED that cover so much that I didn't even read the magazine that month! Even though I subscribe and paid for it, I threw that issue in the trash! That was my one issue boycott!
Well now Gospel Today has pissed off the entire Southern Baptist Convention. SBC is so pissed off that they have pulled the magazine from 100 Lifeway Bookstores. Why, you ask??? Well, the cover of the current issue of Gospel Today features 5 prominent FEMALE Pastors!!
Yep,
Pastor Claudette Copeland of New Creation Christian Fellowship Center, San Antonio, TX.
Pastor Kimberly Ray of The Church Of The Rock, Chicago, IL.
Pastor Sheryl Brady of The River Church, Durham, NC.
Bishop Millicent Hunter of Baptist Worship Center Church, Philadelphia, PA.
Pastor Tamara Bennett of Pentecost Fellowship Ministries, Sacramento, CA.

These ladies, Pastors, Bishop, women of God grace the cover of the current issue and the Southern Baptist DON'T LIKE IT!!
The Southern Baptist Convention says women pastors go against its beliefs, according to its interpretation of the New Testament. The magazine was taken off stands in more than 100 Lifeway Christian Bookstores across the country, including six in metro Atlanta. Read the story here in Fox news. By the way the article is good!

I personally don't have a problem with women in the pulpit. My God can give gifts to whomever He pleases! I'm sure He wouldn't give out gifts and not want you to walk in that gift.
People will site the scripture 1st Corinthians 14:34 -
women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.
Notice the end of that scripture says ..."as the law says", which means that somewhere, sometime there was a law about this. HELLO, that is not our law at this time!! DUH!
Now this is in the bible HOWEVER the Apostle Paul was writing specifically to the people of Corinth, which is a city in Greece when he said this.
When reading the bible you need to read with understanding AND revelation. You need to understand WHO is speaking, WHO they are speaking to, and WHAT they are talking about.

But hey that is just my opinion!! But I will say this ... Ultimately ONLY God can judge who is right and who is wrong!!
So sound in and voice your opinion... Come on now, I know you have an opinion! What say you?



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Regina
You are so right! In this scripture Paul was addressing a situation that was a violation of the law in that day. He was not saying thus saith the Lord for all time. Like you said, this is what happens when people read and not study the Bible. Solomon said in proverbs, "in all your getting get understanding"; and Paul said to Timothy "study to shew yourself approved". So why do we have "Bible Scholars " who do neither? Go figure!
Hey did you notice that the SBC owns a boat load of bookstores? Not only do they own the stores, but by pulling the magazines they are censoring reading materials. Doesn't that violate at least one of my constitutional rights?

Great-Granny Grandma 27 September, 2008 12:26

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clnmike 27 September, 2008 14:06

Well I dont see a problem with a woman pastor, but it's the The Southern Baptist Convention rules, and they are not the only show in town so to speak, no one has to follow what they say.

It is also not like is's state runned so you cant take them to court for it.

Just leave them alone, these organizations usually come around pretty quick when they start losing their flock.

Blog Queen 27 September, 2008 16:13

I totally agree with you...it's so hypocritical of them to pull this issue...but apparently Weeks gracing the cover wasn't offensive.

wow...church folks....

Paula 27 September, 2008 16:42

Hi Regina,

I've popped over from Rachel's page at "Christians in Good Company". This is a great post! My church has female pastors and they are a blessing. "The Law" - pertaining to OT rules - said that women had to be quiet in church, but I feel that it certainly isn't how God thinks we should be today. Very sad that the church has removed the magazine from it's stores. Some people certainly are a trip!

Have a blessed weekend. In Him, Paula :-)

blackwomenblowthetrumpet.blogspot.com 27 September, 2008 20:08

Hello there!!

I don't buy GT!

I think that the publication focuses on pulpit "stars" and has a tendency to highlight the sensational stories rather than putting a focus on the everyday people who are faithfully serving the Lord in their communities and in their churches.

I don't think that Lifeway pulled the issue because it was an issue about female pastors because I was at a blog where someone mentioned that they DID NOT pull GT when it featured Paula White on its cover (and she was a pastor of a church when she was married).

It seems that churches that have black women in pastoral positions tend to have an atmosphere of female domination similiarly to the atmosphere that they watched the men in power enjoy when they were younger.

If being in power only means that you are perpetuating what was taking place BEFORE then is it progress for women?

I have never attended a church that had a female pastor but I know many female preachers. I believe that the black church needs balance and that GOD will bring His churches into alignment one by one.

Peace, blessings and DUNAMIS!
Lisa

jjbrock 27 September, 2008 21:45

Regina, I have a different opinion. From my simple reading of scripture, I see it as women should not be pastors or bishops which translate to-be the head.

I get that understanding from reading the book of Genesis, were God place the order of how He want things to be. I believe God gave Adam dominion over every living thing which would include woman.

When Adam and Eve sin in the garden by eating the forbidden fruit God didn't question Eve his question was directed at Adam whom He had given authority too.

I am not saying that women should not be teachers or preachers of men. Not that they can't be---that they shouldn't be. There have been many women that God has gifted with the gift of teaching.

And many women who need to hear it. I think that is part of the call for the older women to mentor to the younger.

I am going out on a limb with this as a woman, I also know that "we" can be over emotional, over sensitive, and down-right cat-ty. I will say that most of the in-fighting in churches is instigated by the women.

And give a women a pulpit, ((Shaking head))I can see sides being taken and alliances made and remade constantly. I have never sat under a woman's pastor.

I do think that I would be rather uncomfortable. I would also wonder what was wrong with all of the men in the church that God couldn't call one of them.

PaulsHealthBlog.com 28 September, 2008 00:03

I believe women should be seen and not heard!

(Honey, stop hitting me! Ow! Ow! Missed! Ha! Ha! Ha! OOWW!)

(How come I'm the one who always has to sleep on the couch?)

hiscrivener 28 September, 2008 08:44

Regina,

Nice blog in here, sister. We covered the Gospel Today imbroglio in detail over at "The Writing on the Wall" right here:

http://hiscrivener.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/gospel-today-gets-no-tomorrow-in-christian-bookstores/

We are going to have a lil' diddy on this tomorrow as well. A feel a sense of faith and telling it like it is in here.

I may wanna link. Interested?

Peace,
HiScrivener

Shelia 28 September, 2008 22:10

I can listen to a woman in the pulpit just as easily, if not more easily than a man.

That said, if you don't like someone's doctrine, then don't participate or solicit that group. Gospel Today knows the doctrine of the SBC as well as you or I. They actually have no complaint. They tested the SBC and failed.

If I know that you don't allow smoking in your home and I come in their puffing on a cigar and you put me out, too bad for me, I knew your rules.

I think that the press on this is attempting to be critical where there is no criticism. It's THEIR doctrine and THEIR store.

I don't agree with their doctrine, but I respect their right to honor it.

Believer 1964 29 September, 2008 00:31

Ahem. Interpretation of the bible or law is a personal view, or perhaps one is persuaded to think a certain way because of an affiliation or tie.

I have absolutely no problem with a woman at the pulpit.

However, I do have a problem with the Pastor being the "set man" and the wife pushing him over to be equal and carry a title.

Torrance Stephens - All-Mi-T 29 September, 2008 09:15

preach

and it is bout time

bluedreamer27 29 September, 2008 09:49

it seem that you are such a good cristian regina i can see it with your post may you had a lot of success to come
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jblieu 30 September, 2008 16:41

When reading the bible you need to read with understanding AND revelation. You need to understand WHO is speaking, WHO they are speaking to, and WHAT they are talking about.

Amen - and I am a Southern Baptist :)

Sharon Brumfield 30 September, 2008 19:51

Well....these are the two cents of a southern Baptist girl.:)

I don't believe that women are to be silent in the church. I do believe that women can be called to preach. I do believe that God can and does give that gifting.
BUT....I do have a problem with women being a pastor. But probably for the same reasons that I have a problem with a man being the sole pastor of a woman. This is a really big subject to conquer in a comment box. Both the female and the male bring something to the body that the other does not have. With a male in the pulpit alone I believe you miss a part of a picutre of God that only a feamale sees. And with a female in the pulpit alone you miss part of the picture of God that a male more easily presents.
You see I believe that until the males and females in the body of Christ come together and learn to works as one body....we won't bring about an answer to Jesus' prayer for unity.
I guess I have jumped in here enough to thoroughly confuse things...so now I will be quiet.
As far as them removing the magazines from the shelf....I guess it was a statement that they felt they had to make. Kind of like you being unwilling to read about Mr Weeks.
It is a good thing we still have the choices to make.
One day we will get to heaven and I will be able to sit down with Paul and clarify a few things. :)
Till then I will follow the advice of my formally "sit down and do not teach men" pastor told me..."Sharon do not quench the Spirit. If He tells you to say something...DO IT!"
So as long as these women are fully submitted to God...may their words and actions bring glory to no one but HIM.
Now I am really going to stop.;)

Mz.Bria2U 03 October, 2008 05:33

sigh...shocked but not surprised at all. I read this last week and Eurweb...smh

Divamom 06 October, 2008 00:26

It's sad how the SB officials can be so close-minded and not realize that their bookstores attract other denominations other than themselves. I'm pretty sure they don't condone adultery (Paula White) or spousal abuse (Thomas Weeks), so they need to rethink pulling certain issues. I was born and raised in the Church of God in Christ, which for many years didn't approve of women preachers either. They have become more laxed on the issue under different leadership and this is the church that Pastor Claudette Copeland came out of. We used to belong to New Creation Christian Fellowship before we moved to Fort Worth. Bishop David Copeland is the Senior Pastor and Pastor C is the Co-Pastor and both are awesome in their ministries! Thank God Lifeway Stores aren't the only Christian bookstores!!! :)

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